Joe George <jgeorge @
com (Diane Barlow Close) writes:
>>This isn't spam, but it simply has to be one of the weirdest abuses of net
>>resources I've seen by a postmaster and system adiministrator. Basically
>>nbi.com uses Usenet newsgroups to try to contact ONE person whenever that
>>person's e-mail bounces from nbi.com mailing lists:
>Being the accused net-abuser and baby-killer, before everyone else jumps on
>this bandwagon, I feel the need to indicate that Ms. Close is stating a VERY
>IMPORTANT falsehood to make her point.
> [snip] Ms. Close likes to imply that we do this
>dozens of times a day, but indeed we do not.
It was private e-mail from Mr. George, himself, that gave me impression
that this was a regular and frequent thing at nbi.com. I'll quote the
particular paragraph below, even though I strongly dislike posting any
portion of private e-mail to any newsgroup. However, since I'm accused of
being a liar, rather than merely being misinformed, I feel I'd like to
defend myself properly. Mr. George wrote to me stating:
As a general rule on our mailing lists -- one rule that I don't expect
you to be aware of, nor am I interested in your own personal opinions
of, BTW -- users who are unsubscribed from a list due to some major
fault with email delivery are notified in a Usenet newsgroup with the
same basic emphasis as the mailing list, in the likely event that
the user reads Usenet newsgroups with similar topics. I'm sorry if
you and your "royal We" don't like this policy, but it has worked
many times in other newsgroups to contact users who are unable to be
reached my email.
"As a general rule" says, to me, that it's done on a regular basis,
and the "it has worked many times" suggests that it's been done, a lot,
before. Are you saying, then, that it's only done in very "exceptional"
circumstances, and rarely? What determines these circumstances?
How often? What's your definition of "rare"?
>This user was no longer able to receive Internet email via Prodigy, so there
>was simply no other way to attemp to reach them, except post this short
>message in a newsgroup with a similar scope of interest.
How about trying postmaster @
com? I also suggested a "bounces"
mailing list, but Mr. George has indicated that this is not practical
at his site.
>I am sorry, but there is simply no way I can be convinced that ONE posting
>to ONE newsgroup, off topic or not, can really honestly be considered "net
If every list manager felt this way, the newsgroups would be very quickly
filled with "your mail is bouncing" messages ad infinitum.
>If anyone other than Ms. Close thinks so, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
Yes, please do write or post!
I'm at lunch all day. :-)