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Subject: Re: Suggestion for MLM Developers
From: Eric Thomas <ERIC @ VM . SE . LSOFT . COM>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:10:44 +0200
To: List-Managers @ GREATCIRCLE . COM, listmom-talk @ SKYWEYR . COM

There are  two ways you  can join a list  in DIGEST mode  atomically with
LISTSERV. The first is to use the SUBSCRIBE WITH command:

                       SUBSCRIBE XYZ-L WITH DIGEST

This function  combines SUBSCRIBE  and SET  in a  single command.  It was
originally implemented to provide a simple, convenient atomic transaction
for customers who  interface LISTSERV to a database, and  to simplify the
implementation of  the GUI  and WWW  interface, rather  than to  save one
command for human  users, but now that  you mention it, it  would also be
very convenient in cases where there is no clear consensus as to what the
default  option  should  be.  This  gives you  two  simple  commands  for
subscribing to the  regular vs digested versions of the  list and you can
just document both in your instructions  and let people choose. Having it
as a single command also means you  don't need to explain how to send two
commands in the same message, etc.

This  however does  not  solve  the more  general  problem of  sequential
execution of dependent commands (individual cookies are not guaranteed to
execute in the  right sequence as they may be  received and confirmed out
of order). In such cases you can use:


This creates a block of commands which are confirmed and executed using a
single cookie. This is  really meant to be used in  scripts and the like.
For instance, if you run a number  of related lists, you may already have
a number  of little scripts  for operations that are  performed regularly
and involve multiple LISTSERV commands, such as moving a user from list A
to list B and setting his  default subscription options to topic A, while
using cookies  for security. This is  the kind of script  where you would
use OK blocks.

Both features  are new  in 1.8d,  if your host  site is  one of  the beta
testers they can get a build with this functionality.


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