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Subject: Re: HTML-enabled mailing lists
From: MowMow Kitty <kitty @ squonk . net>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:04:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: Lawrence Weeks <dev @ dm2 . deskmedia . com>
Cc: "'List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM'" <List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM>, "Woodrick, Ed" <ewoodrick @ ed-com . com>
In-reply-to: <19980407022807 . 47872 @ dm2 . deskmedia . com>

As long as this is being talked about, I have a question.  How do I
disable HTML?  I am using Majordomo 4.94 on Solaris 2.5.  I, too, can't
stand HTML in my messages, they just take up extra bandwidth.  I didn't
know that I could shut it off from my list.

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On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Lawrence Weeks wrote:

> Once upon a time (Wed Apr 01), Woodrick, Ed wrote:
> > Why do yall go through so much trouble to not utilize existing
> > Internet messaging standards?
> The point of a mailing list is to exchange information with other
> people, just the same as a web page. The web has standards, such as
> HTML, so everyone can communicate. A browser (or, if you're Microsoft,
> the operating system) parses HTML as a minimum cost of entry. However,
> this is not true of email. The bare minimum for email is plain old
> text. The point of a mailing list, in general, is to enable a large
> number of people to communicate with one another effectively. Why
> complicate things needlessly? What's the point? To send a message in
> a pretty color or font? Why, and at what cost? As I say to people who
> advertise their brand new heavily "optimized" for brand X browser
> web page, what's your goal? To showcase and promote a proprietary
> technology and limit your web page to less than half the web? Shouldn't
> your goal be to communicate effectively with the most people possible?
> This is the primary reason I reject all HTML email. It offers no real
> value on a mailing list, and unnecessarily complicates communications.
> Likewise, I reject email with attachments. If you want to make a
> nicely formatted document available, don't send it to a thousand
> people, of whom maybe 10% actually want to see it. Send a URL.
> But there's a very pragmatic side too: I don't want to archive it,
> back it up on tape, index it for searching, etc. Your message was
> over 6200 characters long, let's break that down. The plain text of
> what you actually wrote was ~ 1152 bytes. You quoted ~ 1143 bytes of
> the original message (I know, netiquette on quoting is archaic). And
> your HTML took up the rest, ~ 3756 bytes.
> So, of the 6K, only 1K or so was actually worthwhile. If everybody
> did the same, that's a lot of wasted bytes. Let's say the mailing
> list has 1000 subscribers, and 100 messages a day... that adds up
> really fast, on the delivery side, on the archival side, and what
> value does it really add? We can have fonts and colors and bold and
> italic text. Wow. Thanks, but no thanks.
> > HTML is here to stay. If you want to provide a service to you list
> > users, then you probably should start thinking about how to work
> > WITH your subscribers than against them.
> Yes, educate them as to when it is appropriate to use the latest
> whiz-bang technology, and when not to. Just because you *can* send
> bloated HTML email, doesn't mean you *should*. I've never had a list
> member complain about not being able to send HTML email, and have
> had lots of them thank me for filtering it out.
> Larry
> --
> Lawrence Weeks      "Audaces fortuna juvat."      dev @
 deskmedia .

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