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Subject: Re: eGroup - What's with the clause?
From: SRE <eckert @ climber . org>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:19:51 -0700
To: matthew . simpson @ erols . com
Cc: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <7olgre$r70p @ eGroups . com>

>You agree that upon posting any material within a group open to the
>public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
>assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
>non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual

At 08:10 PM 8/8/99 -0700, matthew .
 simpson @
 erols .
 com wrote:
>I'm considering moving my list of 500+ folks to eGroup.  But I'm
>concerned about the first message in the attached clause of their legal
>agreement.  Does this basically sign the list over to them?  

Yes, that's what it means. They can take posts from your subscribers
and sell them as a database. They can sell the names of everyone
who posted. They can distill your knowledge into a book and sell it.
In no case can you ever tell them not to use the material in any
way they see fit... and they don't pay you a dime for anything, ever.

It's a bad deal. Find a real ISP (a little one like or any
number of great big ones). It's only 10 or 20 bucks a month for you to
keep your rights.

By the way, organizations (like the Sierra Club) that have email
servers of their own are starting to write clauses like the one
RETROACTIVELY after people set up lists on their server. Beware!


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