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Subject: Re: now blocking mail from (fwd)
From: "Chris McEwen" <socrates @ sprintmail . com>
Organization: Socrates Press, Keyport WA
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:22:29 -0700
To: <list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM>, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg @ monkeys . com>
References: <17667 . 939665773 @ monkeys . com>
Reply-to: "Chris McEwen" <socrates @ sprintmail . com>

First of all, I would think there are better ways to do legitimate research
than this. If nothing else, I would have expected the person to approach me
personally before running a script like this on my server.

But let's stand back a moment and ask a question: If his research is meant
to reduce spam, then does spam emanate from a list or rather is spam
targeted to a list? If anything, my take on this is that the result of Mr.
Goldberg's research would be to create spam that would find its way onto the

In answer to Ronald's specific question and in light of my above comments, I
would certainly not give the information requested.

--Chris McEwen
  Socrates Press, Keyport WA
  socrates @
 sprintmail .

----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg @
 monkeys .

>, Jeffrey Goldberg <J .
 Goldberg @
 Cranfield .
 ac .
 uk> wrote:

> Steve Bergeon has answered a number of questions that I posed to him, and
> I believe his answers.  I have removed the block on his site.

>> There were several goals for this obviously ill considered venture.
>> I wanted to amass mail for analysis of both headers and content. To see
>> what sort, if any, new spam would come with the new lists. To see what
>> limits procmail had.

That's not to say that his intent was anything other than honorable.  I just
think that it is incumbant upon anyone doing research like this to be quite
clear and specific regarding the methods and goals.

P.S.  As long as we are still talking about it (and given that this episode
makes it quite apparent that list admins may get their hackles raised by
any sort of automated subscribes/unsubscribes) allow me to pose the question
to the entire readership of this list: If someone sent you an E-mail (in
your capacity as list managers) asking for a list of, for example, the
envelope sender addresses used in outgoing traffic on/with your lists,
would you send that info back, or would you balk?

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