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Subject: Re[2]: problems ?/Yahoo ?
From: "L. Benjamin Williams" <wmsenterprises @ crosswinds . net>
Organization: Williams Enterprises
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:20:41 -0500
To: Sharon Tucci <sharon @ listhost . net>
Cc: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
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Reply-to: "L. Benjamin Williams" <wmsenterprises @ crosswinds . net>

(and the troll speaks, though possibly without meaning)

   Isn't there a way you can set some form of "batch maximum" for SMTP
delivery? Hopefully this could be done on a (temporary?) per-domain
basis as I (seem to) understand that setting up the connection is
expensive enough without needlessly creating more, but ...

L. Benjamin Williams           mailto:WmsEnterprises "at"

On Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at about 23:07:51, you wrote:
>>Connection refused by
>>Operation timed out with
>>Null connection from
>>... and traceroutes to the last two hosts *do* fail. First one succeeds.

ST> Have you tried nslookups on their mx records? I've
ST> seen a few cases where traceroutes didn't resolve,
ST> but nslookups specifically on the mx records did.

ST> I'm not a techie, so I am clueless as to the how's
ST> and why's of it. I *have* noticed that we're having
ST> more problems with @home deliveries for non-personalized
ST> email than for personalized. 

ST> We're seeing an inordinate number of messages going to
ST> @home users bouncing for insufficient storage
ST> space and also know that a good amount of outgoing
ST> email from @home users is dropping. We have one staff
ST> member who uses @home who we had to set up with smtp
ST> access on our of our admin server because she was
ST> dropping a heck of a lot of email. 

ST> What is more of a problem (and has been for about
ST> 2 months now) for us has been mail going to Yahoo.
ST> Yahoo seems to be opening the smtp connection and 
ST> just hanging. I noticed in the log that it seems
ST> to be after the 20th or so email address on their
ST> system for the same mailing, the connection just
ST> dies. 

ST> On two different servers last week, we had so many
ST> messages in queue for Yahoo, it was just dragging
ST> the servers down everytime redelivery was attempted.
ST> This went on for about 12 hours.. Yahoo didn't seem
ST> to be down because for each consecutive attempt,
ST> more messages did seem to go through. It just took
ST> a long time for it to all get cleared out.

ST> If anyone can give any words of wisdom in what to
ST> do in situations like this, it would be appreciated.
ST> <grin> after the last Yahoo episode, I feel like
ST> sending THEM a bill. 

ST> Sharon Tucci

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