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From: "Kirk D Bailey" <highprimate @ howlermonkey . net>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 07:25:01 2001 -0400
To: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM

If it is offered as a list of people who REFUSE o purchaqse in
response to spam, yea they would, such persons are a total waste of
time. Why bother emailing them at all?


In total confusion,
                   Kirk D Bailey

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>-------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE BELOW --------
>On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:58:32AM -0400, Omar Thameen wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 04:02:05PM -0400, murr rhame wrote:
>> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, David Shaw wrote:
>> > 
>> > > They are extremely useful, though not in the way intended by
>> > > their owners, since as you say, any email that mentions them
>> > > can safely be chucked..
>> > 
>> > I have yet to hear of any removal site that passes the simple
>> > test of setting up a new email account and submitting it to an
>> > op-out list.  That account will start receiving spam within
>> > hours.  For most spammers, there is no incentive to honor an an
>> > op-out list.  They could care less if they piss off a thousand
>> > people as long as one person in a thousand buys the product.
>> Is this something that we list owners/providers can set up in an
>> open fashion and run legitimately, perhaps not-for-profit?
>> Obviously, there would be a number of issues to tackle like who
>> would maintain it and how to ensure that unscrupulous people don't
>> get a hold of the address list (or pollute it with valid addresses).
>I doubt it.  Like Mr. Rhame said above - there is just no incentive
>(actually negative incentive) for most spammers to "clean" their
>address list via such a global opt-out list.  Why should they?
>Cleaning their lists means they hit fewer people.
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