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On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:03:46 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @
> On 7/1/02 6:53 PM, "J C Lawrence" <claw @
Context: One of the list-manager's members uses TMDA to filter and
whitelist personal mail. This mostly became apparent with messages
CC'ed to him were all replied to with polite
please-register-on-my-whitelist messages from TMDA. Some discussion
of whitelists and TMDA ensued.
>> That said, among the variants TMDA is rather nice.
> Oh, and to make it clear -- you're welcome to whitelist. But if I
> don't happen to be on your whitelist, and I try to answer something
> you ask, it won't get through, and I won't jump through the hoop to
> make it go through.
That lack of automated intelligence was one of the things I looked for
in TMDA. It would be nice if it saw the message coming in for the list,
noticed that it had the same Message-ID as message on hold and
auto-released the held message.
>> It will read/whitelist Mailman/ezmlm/etc subscriber lists
>> (config.db), and looks innocuous enough that I'm seriously thinking
>> about deploying it here for the -owner and -admin addresses (which
>> get 1 valid message for every 300 SPAM). Given the extra auth
>> against the subscriber lists it seems a not unreasonable barrier (if
>> unwelcome and I don't like it) to entry for help to a non-list
> JC? Why not bounce that htought over to mailman-developers and run it
> past Barry? I think it warrants more discussion over there, and I'm
> sitting up here on vacation, so I really can't right now...
Good idea. Consider it done.
Recapping, the basic problem is that I get very large volumes of spam on
my list control addresses: -owner, -admin, etc. I'd like to control
that. One of the approaches I've been considering is using TMDA, which
can be configured to read config.db's for subscriber lists and thus
auto-whitelist messages from them. Thus, for instance, all mail to
-owner or -admin from a subscriber would get thru automatically, but any
email from a non list-member would require a
double-confirm/whitelist-approval from TMDA.
Its not a great solution, as it is an extra barrier to entry for help,
but in the general case I don't feel too badly about putting that small
a hill in the way of people I have no current investment or relation
with (ie they're not list members).
In which case: Why not fold this sort of TMDA -admin/-owner address
checking/whitelisting etc functionality into Mailman?
J C Lawrence
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