At 08:38 PM 2002-07-12 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
Nick Simicich wrote:
The problem is that at least some MLM writers are acting as if there were
only one possible digest format --- and to some extent, I think that they
should have called a "collection of mime message/rfc822 messages" a
"collection" rather than a digest. I suspect that most people think of
an RFC1153 format digest when they think of a digest, and they think of
something else when they get a mime format digest.
Funny -- I think most people think of an EDITED-DOWN collection when they
think "digest" -- you know, that it's ben pre-digested for them. (Think
digest -- think "Reader's Digest.")
I don't know of anyone who actually uses mailing lists who thinks this way.
Most people who are not mailing-list savvy ask why it is they're
receiving all of those messages if they subscribe to a digest, and why it
doesn't sem edited and selected for them.
It's a bad use of an English word for an almost-contradictory geekish meaning.
You know, many, if not most words have more than one meaning. How many
meanings does "transmission" have? Most people who know English understand
this. Perhaps this needs to be one of Chuq's 25 questions.
I looked up digest in a very abridged dictionary I happen to have on my
computer, and it has four meanings. three verb meanings: (1) the food
meaning (2) the mental absorption meaning (3) "To organize into a
systematic arrangement" and the noun meaning: "A collection of written
material in condensed form". I suppose that it could be argued that the
material is condensed in the 1153 format --- all of those extra headers and
footers are removed, and in some cases, attachments and other forms that go
with the individual messages are removed. At one point I was producing a
digest of rec.scuba that attempted to assemble and sort threads, holding
postings until the threads were complete.
This is perhaps another argument as to why the mime format is a collection
(and I agree that this argument is lost) but perhaps it is a
misunderstanding of the word form - it is fair to say that by organizing
the messages into an arrangement, the MLM is digesting, but it is not fair
to say that it produces a "digest",
Unless....there is one noun meaning of digest, which is, "The end product
of digestion." Now, in this case, it is clear that the digestion that is
referred to is the one that happens when you eat. And we all know what
that results in. And that could well be the "digest" that the mime digest
type refers to.
By the way, I will send a separate copy of this in large red helvitica
(actually arial) to Chuq. I had been making a point to edit everyone's
name out of the headers *but* his since he mentioned that he likes to get
an extra copy. But if that is what it takes to get him to edit me out of
replies, then that is what I will do.
"Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of
-- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Nick Simicich - njs @