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Subject: Re: [Fwd: EFF Mailing List Query]
From: Brent Chapman <Brent @ GreatCircle . COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:11:04 +1100
To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>, J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Cc: Bob Bish <bobbish @ earthlink . net>, list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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At 10:14 PM -0800 2/23/03, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
a combination of good whitelists and good spam analysis software will go a long way towards getting the spam problem under control.

Perhaps from a list-manager's or an end-user's point of view, but not from a network-provider's point of view. If you make the list-based or user-based filtering systems more effective (i.e., they drop more spam, and allow less through), how are the spammers going to respond? They're simply going to throw more spam at the filtering systems, to increase the amount that gets through. The list or the end user might not see it, but the load on the network provider (bandwidth, spool space, processing horsepower, etc.) goes up considerably.

If you really want to address spam, you've got to address it at all levels, including the network level, not just the list or end-user level. Otherwise you're just pushing the problem off onto somebody else, and the whole email ecosystem is still going to collapse.


Brent Chapman <brent @
greatcircle .

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