On 19 Feb 98 at 21:49, Gordon Burns wrote:
> I think Claire is answering a different question than the one I was
> attempting address, although it was some time ago so I may have
> misunderstood the question.
I think I may well have misinterpreted it, and I do agree we are
looking at things from different angles :)
> The original question was I think from someone who wanted to >
> purchase list software for NT to run on his own machine and not >
> someone who wanted to adminster lists hosted remotely on a machine
> owned by another and running NTList.
Perhaps the two aren't mutually exclusive? Maybe some lists on
the questioner's server might be adminned remotely?
> I would agree with Claire that if you are a list owner and want to
> administer a list hosted on a Ntlist server then the remote control
> is not as comprehensive as others. Remote mail admin will I
> believe be improved dramatically in the release of the new version.
That is good news -- it'll make my life easier! :)
> Both of the examples I mentioned in my answer are run on a remote
> machine, but it is OUR machine. I can therefore do anything I need
> to do as if the machine was on my desktop.
Very handy. And the graphical interface does look very neat.
> The lists we run are critical for our clients and we offer and
> charge a commercial rate we handle all list admin (they certainly
> do not want to) and allow the software to perform a reliable high
> speed efficient delivery.
Yes, delivery speed is one of the other important criteria, and in
an installation like yours, probly one of the critical ones: I do
hear good reports of NTList in this regard, as well as your good
> Just wanted to ensure that we were clear about what we were both
> saying here. I certainly do not want to get into a battle over what
> software is best.
No, that'd be silly -- I think it's a horses for courses thing, and I
hope this sort of sharing of perspectives is useful.
> We all have different needs in different
> circumstances. NtList is great for ours thats all.
In those circumstances, most of the things I was referring to would
not be such a problem for you as they were me, and I can see how your
uses would rate NTList much higher than mine would: it is indeed
interesting to see how these sort of varieties in usage can shift the
priorities, and how it would be mistaken to talk of "lists" as a
narrow field, when they come in so many different shapes and sizes:
those I admin are support lists with membership in the low hundreds
-- a very different issue to your high-volume commercial ones.
But even for your uses, I would still be worried by NTList's lack of
automated subscription confirmation, which leaves it open to abuse by
"list-bombers" who sub ppl to dozens of lists, and a bit irked by its
lack of such things as a duplicate message filter and ability to
reject mesages with attachments. Issues such as a NOMAIL
option are more variable in imprtance: but the security features seem
more problematic to me, which is why my earlier post probably sounded
a bit too dismissive. I'm interested, though: have you found these
things a problem?
I hope my earlier mesg didn't make it sound as if I'm too didactic
to want to learn from others experiences. Having been a remote list
admin for some ime, I'm now looking to set up a bigger list project,
doing more of my own hosting, and I'm interested to see how the
different factors weigh in difft circumstances. I'd be very
interrsted to see a comparison of ListServ v NTList: am I right in
thinking that those are the two 'heavyweight' options for NT?
Claire McNab -- Claire @